There is a weird thing laying on the moon

I often encounter radical Atheists, who not only NOT believe in (any) god, but as it looks like they believe nothing  and dismiss every question mark added to official statements as a hoax or conspiracy theory..
Myself I am hugely skeptical about these things , but I think is is foolish to dismiss it this way like hogwash.
I can give you an example of what intrigues so much I am doing research on all the things I can find about it and doing the usual thing like cutting away the bullshit until I reach something that cannot be cut away because it simply is there and there is evidence to prove it .

The following is one of these things and I had a discussion about it on some discussion website and the Question was " would you rather go to the moon or to mars and I chose the option I would rather go to the moon..

If it was only do see what the hell this thing is :

space ship or hoax ?

I don't know if the top picture is real or part of a hoax created about it but the second picture is real and if you enlarge it you will see it as taken from Apollo 11 in 1969

Original data:
Image Collection:  Panoramic
Mission:  15
Magazine:  P
Revolution:  38
Latitude / Longitude:  19° S / 117.5° E
Lens Focal Length:  24 inch

Click here to see the original Apollo filmstrip

Camera Look:  Forward
Camera Altitude:  117 km
Sun Elevation:  27°
Stereo Pair:  AS15-P-9630
Film Type:  3414
Film Width:  5 inch
Image Width:  45.24 inch
Film Color:  black & white

ginal image properties:
Source:
Lunar and Planetary Institute

Is it so crazy that I am curious ? But guess what happens when I share this with other, mostly American atheists and skeptics suddenly the skeptical part is gone and they apparently just wave the curiosity away and dismiss any evidence or indications  as a hoax or a conspiracy theory.
Isn't that the same thing as Christians do ? they tend to ignore the proof about their beliefs being based on fantasies and dismiss them the same way as their indoctrination has taught them to..
To my opinion -EX Christian- Atheist skeptics aren't skeptical at all this way.
In my book Skeptical means being open minded but evaluate things and cut a way the crap to see what will be left over .
These kind of Atheists just dismiss these things like this example of that thing on the moon..
Read what I got from an American agnostic/when I brought this example up
Mind that I already explained, I am not a UFO freak or conspiracy theorist about the government hiding stuff  AND that I already have been cutting away the things I have my serious doubts about..
Guess what I got from an American agnostic/when I brought this example up?

"It is Just a rock"  that was it ..  No interest, no curiosity, just dismissal.. 

trying to spark a little curiosity in him I answered :

Ok if it is "a rock" how did that rock get there ? There were no ice ages and no erosion on the moon. There are no no bolders on the moon as we know them..
There is no force on the moon that can have pushed it there
How about a rock that looks like it's "nose" is painted in another color? And this odd bulge on top of it ?

It cannot have fallen there from outer space because it is not in the center of the crater but actually rests along side the slope of a more a less oval shaped shallow hole close to the Iszak crater (which really is an impact crater)
Notice it is like 3.5 mile long and about 3rd of a mile in diameter
It's an abnormality, like it does not belong there ..

Again I am very skeptical about the hype about it on youtube and these UFO "science" websites... Even if it IS a rock I just REALLY would like to see it for real from up close ..

His answer:

how did a rock get there?????? The moon is covered with ROCKS as the moon is made up of rocks, not green cheese as some have tried to make us believe. :)).

Even jokingly, to my opinion this is a defense of his dismissal of my arguments so I gave him another reply:

You are so rigid in your opinion that you totally ignore anything else.
Sure the moon surface has countless rocks but no ROUND rocks because there is no erosion and this thing does not only have no sharp edges it is way too big to be a rock and that is what makes it so weird

And of course he chose the easy way out:
(quote)"Notice it is like 3.5 mile long and about 3rd of a mile in diameter
It's an abnormality, like it does not belong there .." (quote)
Rounded because of lack of erosion, please. Have you ever seen a rock that size not "Rounded" And there is slight erosion on the moon, trillions and trillions of particles streaming in from space over billions of years tend to round edges. Where do you think all the moon dust comes from.

I have done some reading about moon dust to know that it is completely different than what we call sand and I explained that to him:

Moondust under a microscope

 you are using religious arguments like "were you there" and this erosion you talk about is nothing compared to earth erosion where everything  constantly is in motion..
The moon dust is most probably the pulverized rock that is the result of millions of meteorite impacts
Moon dust is generally very sharp edged compared to earth dust.
Why? there is no erosion on the moon.

 
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Sand under a microscope

Earth dust (we call sand) is generally rounded without sharp edges. Guess why ..

This thing I refer to has not fallen to the moon like an asteroid because there is no crater
Did you look at the original photo strip?
(when you view it it is the original size) the Iszak crater  on the same strip shows a real impact crater..
If an asteroid of the size of this weird object had impacted there , the crater would have been immense still it is just laying there on the slope of this hole ...
You can deny it as much as you want but it does not change that it is still there. 

I am still waiting for his answer, but it will probably never come , same as what happens when I out-argue a religious believer..
I had no intention to force my opinion about this moon thing on him, I only wanted to explain to him WHY I would so much to see this thing with my own eyes from up close - I want to know - and isn't this what human life is about ? Curiosity ?  Finding plausible explanations that can be scientifically proven ?
We are living in a time of discovery and gaining knowledge..
When Skeptical becomes Dismissal it is only a few steps away from Dogma, all the open mindedness, inquisitiveness and freethinking and most of  all THINKING FOR YOURSELF  is thrown out of the window..

Ane personally I find this very disturbing..

The Empathy Imperative

Sometimes , when I am not shouting out my frustration on my blog and various Internet websites, I read a book. I not much of a reader I am more the "I wait for the movie to be released" kind of person.

The Empaty Imperative

Recently I got this book that was recommended to me by a friend,a novel called: The Empathy Imperative and is written by the American author Max T Furr.

I really love these science fiction stories that are situated in the near future and I started a search where I could purchase this which turned out to be problematic
Since I don't have a credit card I could buy it on line and ordering it through a dutch book store would cost me a small fortune this friend sent it to me by mail..

Where you have "who done it"  detective novels, I think The Empathy Imperative tells the ultimate "what if" Science Fiction story..
When I started reading , I felt the romance, further on it started an uneasy feeling of worry in my mind, like it offered me a very realistic sneak preview into a bleak apocalyptic future where Murphy's law, "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong", becomes fact..
Then all things made a mind blowing turn that grabbed hold of me to the end..
"The Empathy Imperative" stayed in my mind for weeks, "what if everything in life is true, what if every truth is a lie at the same time ??"
Read it and find out..

Atheist TV and what kind of an atheist I am..

Announcement of American Atheists

The First Atheist TV Channel

American Atheists is excited to announce what is believed to be the first atheism-dedicated television channel, Atheist TV. 

In partnership with Internet-streaming service Roku, which offers devices similar to cable boxes to bring hundreds of channels of content to your TV, American Atheists will bring together dozens of atheist content creators, including The Richard Dawkins Foundation, to present the first on-demand television station that presents exclusively atheist, humanist, and freethought programming. In addition, American Atheists is making available its recently-digitized historic video archives spanning more than 50 years of activism. 

It is really a crying shame that something like American Atheist TV is necessary to give an objective and skeptical counter balance to all the religious bias and propaganda on the USA TV network

In the Netherlands where I live in Europe, the objectivity of the commercial TV channels and the several Broadcasting Associations participating in Dutch Public TV is a matter of honor..
Here we have this unwritten code of integrity where it comes to bringing the news and even the few Evangelical broadcasters honor that code because distorting news would be like committing public confidence suicide..


Since this announcement I have been battling several fanatic believers about the necessity of such a TV channel in the USA in the context of the multitude of religion and religiously biased channels like ...  mostly ALL of them..
And I constantly have to explain myself why I am so aversive to Christianity and religion in general..

the reason ?  read the next (earlier) blog on this page

A successfully brainwashed world

I had a revelation

Not of the divine kind, far from that, it was more of studying the gathered pieces of a puzzle and suddenly seeing every one of them spontaneously perfectly falling in place.  It was like the Eureka moment after discovering the Archimedes Principle, that made Archimedes forget to put his clothes on and run naked in the streets shouting "Eureka eureka I found it I found it"  I am a little more down to earth and instead of running through the streets naked, I hurried to get a notebook and pencil to write it down before it would slip my mind. As a result of that I will try to make heads of tails of it for the first time in this text.

Richard Dawkins has a seven point scale  to help people describe themselves with regard to their level of conviction about theism and atheism.
1.    Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God
2.    De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent
3.    Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high
4.    Leaning towards atheism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low
5.    Completely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent
6.    De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero.
7.    Strong atheist. the type of I know there is no God

However I would even consider myself type  8.
It is like adding a step from the superlative to get the to exaggerative with the only purpose  to show  that I mean business..

Type 8 is a Type 7 with a serious attitude, because  I seriously dislike the word atheist, it  still indicates  existence of theism and the religious principle, which  I completely dismiss as an insult to any intelligence (including insects) and the summit of idiocy that is not even worth a split second of my attention.

If it weren't for the constant stream of divine creation apologetics I have to cut through every day, I would not even think of it -at all- .... like no one  should..
The utmost preposterous  idea  alone that we were created, or intelligently were designed....  makes me wonder  how  human intelligence can be lowered  to even consider this .... (silence)...
There are just no words I can use to describe the insanity of even the idea like we and the universe were made by some magical high and mighty "whatever" that hocuspocused us in existence.

IF we were created, it would more be like our existence is a particle size result of an experiment in a hadron collider, where our whole universe popped in to existence for less than a nanosecond representing for us a time span of a trillion years.. So at best our creators are scientists running this experiment and are totally unaware of us ..
Ridiculous one would say ? well considering the increasing rate of scientific discoveries,  this idea is on the probability scale still an infinite of numbers Higher than (any) god being responsible..

However , this is not about Atheism versus Religion  even though that is one of my favorite subjects.
After all the discussions in American Internet  forums, being an outsider from the Netherlands  I  discovered something, that is far more disturbing, happening to the American people, and this is slowly spreading  like a disease namely the slow death of objectivity in all people religious and atheist alike .

I used an American opinion website called Sodahead.com  to see how far this was going, by writing carefully composed opinionated  posts about "religion being hogwash" and as I expected the religious believers -Theists- did not agree and the non believer -Atheists- fully agreed .

Then I made some politically opinionated posts and there the outcome was, the conservatives disagreed and the liberals agreed, but there the difference between Theists and Atheists was not as much as the first result

Next I made a post about taking everything on faith or being skeptical in matters of religion with the fairly predictable  outcome that Theists were in favor of faith and Atheists in favor of being skeptical

So far no earth shattering results but when I wrote a post about why the word “truther” has such a bad meaning to it suddenly everything changed, although the subject was entirely about the word, apparently no one read it because almost everyone showed to have almost an equal condemning opinion about  the 9/11 truther movement as a bunch of nutcases with their head screwed on backwards..
Suddenly the conspiracy theories started flying, and of course everyone, Theists and Atheists alike agreed that these conspiracy theories all were lies of people with certain agendas.

I decided to introduce some of these conspiracy theories.

Magic bullet diagram .

When I brought up the magic bullet that supposedly killed Kennedy after making some mid air turns defying all laws of Newtonian and other Physics, almost everyone turned against me like I was a conspiracy theorist (which I am certainly not) and I decided to go a step further and asked the, in my eyes,  most important, but always miserably answered questions about  9/11

#1 Where was the debris of American Airlines flight 77  that supposedly crashed in to the pentagon?

where is the debris ?

 #2 Where was the debris of United Airlines Flight 93 that supposedly crashed in a field near Shanksville  Pennsylvania?

Where is the debris ?

These are very valid questions that remain unanswered.

Suddenly any sign of skepticism was gone , Theist and Atheist, Conservative and Liberal suddenly were one force defending the official government statement that both planes must have disintegrated on a molecular level due to the high velocity impact.
(The reason I chose this answer of many is because I know from very reliable scientific source that such molecular disintegration can only be reached in a nuclear explosion)
GONE was all skepticism in the Atheists.. Gone was all objectivity in Liberals ..
As one person they defended at least two incidents of which the official reports defied each and every law of Newtonian and other physics.
None of these people were uneducated (I might hope) none of them was stupid but in a strange  manner they abandoned their principles of being skeptical and being objective about official statements when it came to the Kennedy assassination and the 9/11 attack.

Isn't this just plain weird ?

Even the Atheists who have become totally skeptical an rejecting every religious claim show they still have the tendency to believe what the other source of indoctrination, the commercial bought and paid for News Media with people of the likes of  Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and whatever biased and opinionated media personality of whatever news station wants them to believe..


Isn't this weird or is it just me ...